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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177250706" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177250706">(Oct 03 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>That reminds me <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> -- I'm going to create this topic -- but looking over my calendar for the day, I don't have much time...maybe we (and whomever) want to do some pre-discussion and brainstorming tomorrow morning before the meeting itself (e.g., around 8:30am eastern or so)? Alternatively, I could probably chat a bit <em>immediately</em> after the compiler team mtg, but I know you usually have something to do then.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177252377" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177252377">(Oct 03 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I'll have to go home after rustc meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177252425" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177252425">(Oct 03 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>lets plan to chat tomorrow at 8:30eastern or so, as you said.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177252660" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177252660">(Oct 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>WFM</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177252669" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177252669">(Oct 03 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm going to add something to the calendar :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177333824" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177333824">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>ping <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177333872" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177333872">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know if we have much of an agenda</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177333920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177333920">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>or perhaps the goal of this pre-meeting is to <em>make</em> an agenda for the actual meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177333938" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177333938">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>the most immediate thoughts I've been having are:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177333950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177333950">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:34)</a>:</h4>
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<li>There is on-going work that people <em>are</em> doing, or plan to do, but does not get enough visibility.</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177333993" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177333993">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>increased visibility is both better for the developer working on it (assuming that the idea is actually a good one, or at least a popular initiative), <strong>and</strong> better for the whole <del>team</del> ecosystem since people will be aware of what's coming</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334012">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>its possible that <em>I</em> am just out of the loop here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334057">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>but the case of this that came up last night</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334072" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334072">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>is I was talking to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> and their plans for RVO came up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334096" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334096">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>and so I was hoping that one outcome of today's design meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334116" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334116">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>is that we could actually have a documented roadmap for RVO</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334128" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334128">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>so that people know that work is planned</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334157" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334157">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and do not e.g. attempt to recreate it unnecessarily, or attempt to revive old abandoned branches of eddyb's)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334167">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
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<p>or perhaps the goal of this pre-meeting is to <em>make</em> an agenda for the actual meeting</p>
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<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334224">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
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<li>There is on-going work that people <em>are</em> doing, or plan to do, but does not get enough visibility.</li>
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<p>right and this was a big part of the wg idea</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334225" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334225">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>second immediate thought</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334230" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334230">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>was that each non-trivial project was to be listed and checked in on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334239">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
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<li>rust bootstrap still takes too long</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334240">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we've... "sort of" done that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334249">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>do we have an RVO WG ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334253" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334253">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe that is what I am missing here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334258">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>no, there is <a class="stream" data-stream-id="189540" href="/#narrow/stream/189540-t-compiler.2Fwg-mir-opt">#t-compiler/wg-mir-opt</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334264" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334264">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think we've not done so great at the check-ins and reports</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334275" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334275">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>because you are right, the WG system <em>is</em> meant to provide visiblity, and I think it <em>does</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334284" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334284">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>and perhaps the granularity of wgs is too large</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334291" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334291">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it does, yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334293" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334293">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>so the real question is how to identify good candidates for "next WG's"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334296" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334296">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>much more than we <em>had</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334320" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334320">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe wg-mir-opt is too broad.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334323">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>another example would be the backend</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334325" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334325">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>on this topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334331" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334331">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think wg is a bad name</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334338">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334341" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334341">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it should be "project", as the embeddd group is doing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334344" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334344">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, it makes a difference</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334392" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334392">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>in terms of the "mentality" of what deserves a "wg"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334406" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334406">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think having WG's is good, but having projects would be good too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334412">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I also this think is maybe a bit afield from a roadmap discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334419" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334419">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>As in, each WG selects the projects its doing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334454" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334454">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know whether the checkin process would then switch to Project-checkin</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334456">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>or stick with WG-checkin</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334461">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334467">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>this feels more apropos to the "wg retrospective"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334474" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334474">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>true</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334489">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>what I had thought for this meeting is that we might</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334511" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334511">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me tries to remember</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334526" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334526">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we could brainstorm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334531" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334531">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>well I guss basically revisit the things from last year, brainstorm what we think might also want to be on there, and also think about what interactions with <em>other</em> teams might be important?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334576" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334576">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>all the things we <em>might</em> talk about at today's meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334580" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334580">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334583" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334583">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me create a hackmd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334586" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334586">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay great</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334612" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334612">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://hackmd.io/JNRvANhJSwm6Zggq7CY0Vw" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/JNRvANhJSwm6Zggq7CY0Vw">https://hackmd.io/JNRvANhJSwm6Zggq7CY0Vw</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334980" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334980">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I suppose we may want to put a bound on how much time we spend writing stuff at random</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177334992" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177334992">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>lol</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335000" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335000">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we're approaching a steady state</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335006" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335006">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was just going to look over the roadmap from 2019</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335046" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335046">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335116" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335116">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>2019 roadmap "themes" feel pretty apropos still :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335137" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335137">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>(which seems ok)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335162">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>core strength: compilation times have gotten better, I think, but maybe not as much as we had hoped they would ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335176">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335197" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335197">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would say that feels true for most everything on that list :P but that's because we're ambitious</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335244" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335244">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>IDE integration, I don't know for sure, but my guess is that the most interesting progress has been with rust-analyzer.. Is that a fair remark?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335247">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>what I remember feeling really powerful to me from last year when thinking about roadmap was just trying to be clear on what we view as the biggest <strong>challenges</strong> or problems</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335292" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335292">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>re: IDE, I'm not sure. Certainly rust-analyzer has been doing a lot and made a lot of great progress. It seems like RLS has been progressing too, but I don't have a good view into what an 'end user' might perceive there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335302" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335302">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I get the impression that the final two bullets of the 2019 roadmap  are the places where we were most successful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335313" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335313">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>that is my impression</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335320" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335320">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. rustc-guide seems to have gotten a lot of attention and has also been a good resource for onboarding, yes?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335344" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335344">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's like 60-75% of what I hope it will someday be :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335349" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335349">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is pretty good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335358" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335358">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>by this I mean -- I think it is genuinely useful and getting some great work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335416" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335416">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I still feel like we're not using it as much as we could?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335422">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>mostly I mean that I think it'd be great to have more high-level docs of big components of the compiler than (I think) we do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335431" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335431">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>and to try and do some of that doc "as we build"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335434" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335434">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I might be wrong about that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335437" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335437">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe that's not even a good goal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335456">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>in any case I do think overall rustc-guide is doing quite well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335472" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335472">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm trying to thikn what we can productively talk abut at this meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335490" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335490">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, we can either:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335537" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335537">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we can brainstorm a bit possible "focus topics" for the meeting :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335542" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335542">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:54)</a>:</h4>
<ol>
<li>try to narrow down the list of topics to a smaller set that we would want to talk about at design meeting</li>
</ol>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335554">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:54)</a>:</h4>
<ol start="2">
<li>try to elaborate on what items on existing list mean, but not actually cross anything off list</li>
</ol>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335573" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335573">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>ps I started writing out "big challenges" at the bottom</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335575" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335575">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh this reminds me of something I do want on the list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335579" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335579">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd be curious to see if your list is different from mine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335678" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335678">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm also curious: do you feel like we're doing poorly on maintenance and triage? I am sometimes of two minds</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335687" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335687">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, we have a lot of P-high bugs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335701" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335701">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>and it's a lot of work that often falls disproportionately on you</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335703" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335703">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I think we're not doing amazing, but it's not like we're totally dropping the ball either</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335751" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335751">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we don't know how to distribute work, yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335766">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I <em>believe</em> we still have a large set of excited volunteers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335772" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335772">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think a good use for this meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335777" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335777">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>seeing as it's the first meeting, possibly, of multiple</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335782" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335782">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>would be to agree on the big challenges</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335791" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335791">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>and try to detail them out a bit more</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335801">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>because I think the work items we take on should be addressing those challenges</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335862" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335862">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335865" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335865">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe a way to proceed then would be to put up a list of challenges</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335870" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335870">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>let people add their own</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335875">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>we could do the "vote" thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335878" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335878">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(remember that time we had a spreadsheet?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335885" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335885">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>and then kind of pick the most popular to talk about in detail?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335910" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335910">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>that sounds good to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335927" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335927">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>since people may think of other challenges that we have no identified here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335936" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335936">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335945" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335945">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>should I try the "Create a spreadsheet" thing?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335951" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335951">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>what's the best way to handle the voting I wonder</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335970" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335970">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>spreadsheet didn't feel amazing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177335974" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177335974">(Oct 04 2019 at 12:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>this seems like htere must be a webpage that does JUST THIS</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336044">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>twitter</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336056" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336056">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>or emoji votes? (embedded in zulip, that is)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336081" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336081">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>emoji votes are ok but they get intermingled</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336087" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336087">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah that's not good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336108" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336108">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>lets take a sec and see if there's any free site to handle this in a good way ...?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336191" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336191">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>there's a bunch</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336203" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336203">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>emoji votes are ok but they get intermingled</p>
</blockquote>
<p>in<span aria-label="clap" class="emoji emoji-1f44f" role="img" title="clap">:clap:</span>band<span aria-label="clap" class="emoji emoji-1f44f" role="img" title="clap">:clap:</span>sig<span aria-label="clap" class="emoji emoji-1f44f" role="img" title="clap">:clap:</span>na<span aria-label="clap" class="emoji emoji-1f44f" role="img" title="clap">:clap:</span>lling</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336214" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336214">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>sarcasm?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336218" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336218">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I...have no idea what that means</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336231">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>lets take a sec and see if there's any free site to handle this in a good way ...?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I just did some searching and was overwhelmed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336234" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336234">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm thinking a hackmd doc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336246" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336246">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>and people can put a <code>.</code> or something on the one they like :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336252" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336252">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>and add more</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336258">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am too slow and don't know how to use Zulip replies</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336297">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>or we use a special zulip topic that is ONLY for listing the options</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336300">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>and emojis</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336301" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336301">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>that'd be kind of fun :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336321" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336321">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336350" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336350">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/13467/online-poll-that-lets-users-add-new-options" target="_blank" title="https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/13467/online-poll-that-lets-users-add-new-options">https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/13467/online-poll-that-lets-users-add-new-options</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> lqd <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336429">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are things like <a href="https://www.strawpoll.me/" target="_blank" title="https://www.strawpoll.me/">https://www.strawpoll.me/</a> (hum maybe doesn't allow people to add options <span aria-label="thinking" class="emoji emoji-1f914" role="img" title="thinking">:thinking:</span> )</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336451" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336451">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:04)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/13467/online-poll-that-lets-users-add-new-options" target="_blank" title="https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/13467/online-poll-that-lets-users-add-new-options">https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/13467/online-poll-that-lets-users-add-new-options</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>haha that is <em>EXACTLY</em> the right question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336658" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336658">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:07)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://trello.com/b/hL2J58r9/rustc-2020-challenges" target="_blank" title="https://trello.com/b/hL2J58r9/rustc-2020-challenges">https://trello.com/b/hL2J58r9/rustc-2020-challenges</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336666" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> lqd <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336666">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or <a href="https://poll.ly" target="_blank" title="https://poll.ly">https://poll.ly</a> where people can add suggestions and vote on existing ones)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336690" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336690">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:07)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://trello.com/b/hL2J58r9/rustc-2020-challenges" target="_blank" title="https://trello.com/b/hL2J58r9/rustc-2020-challenges">https://trello.com/b/hL2J58r9/rustc-2020-challenges</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>(wait, haven't yet determined if this lets you vote ...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336757">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh and it may require login's. No good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336766">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay maybe we'll just have to use hackmd as niko suggested.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336805">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah I have to buy "Business Class" to enable voting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336814" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336814">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>(genius business  model...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336833" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336833">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wonder if doodle or something can help with this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336838">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>er sorry</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336847" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> lqd <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336847">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>(example: <a href="https://poll.ly/#/G6AZzXVR" target="_blank" title="https://poll.ly/#/G6AZzXVR">https://poll.ly/#/G6AZzXVR</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336867">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes I think <a href="http://poll.ly" target="_blank" title="http://poll.ly">poll.ly</a> is perfect</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336895">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
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<p>Ah I have to buy "Business Class" to enable voting</p>
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<p>Oh no, I was able to get that <em>one</em> power up without paying</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336898">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was trying to paste my own URL :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336937" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336937">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>check out <a href="http://poll.ly" target="_blank" title="http://poll.ly">poll.ly</a>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>, I think it does exactly what we want</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336942">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>will look now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336945" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336945">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
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<p>(example: <a href="https://poll.ly/#/G6AZzXVR" target="_blank" title="https://poll.ly/#/G6AZzXVR">https://poll.ly/#/G6AZzXVR</a>)</p>
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<p>this url</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177336992" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177336992">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>looks good, yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337002" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337002">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay problem solved</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337016" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337016">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>so we'll end this meeting and get other work done for next 50min then?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337022" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337022">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="http://www.rkursem.com/poll/" target="_blank" title="http://www.rkursem.com/poll/">http://www.rkursem.com/poll/</a> is also unterrible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337054">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep, sounds good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337069" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337069">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>i'll create a <a href="http://poll.ly" target="_blank" title="http://poll.ly">poll.ly</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337075" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337075">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>with what we have from the doc so far</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337800" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337800">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, updated the hackmd and created a poll</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337807" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337807">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I"m going to send it out now so people can start to "seed it"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337815" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337815">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> is "lack of lazy normalization" essentially a sub-bullet of "tech debt around the trait system"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177337830" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177337830">(Oct 04 2019 at 13:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>in my view yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177341278" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177341278">(Oct 04 2019 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> I wonder if wg/project as a <em>hierarchy</em> is the wrong way to think about it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177341305" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177341305">(Oct 04 2019 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm looking at e.g. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="130111">@anp</span> "starting up" work on RFC 2091 -- I'd love to be "tracking" this as a project -- but it feels overkill to have a WG</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177341367" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177341367">(Oct 04 2019 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Separately, I thnk it makes sense to have e.g. a wg for "triage" or for long-running things (similarly, wg-llvm, arguably wg-traits)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap%20pre-discussion/near/177341468" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/roadmap.20pre-discussion.html#177341468">(Oct 04 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I think this makes sense</p>



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